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over cutting medicare as republicans are over tax increases? with us, two voices calling for compromise. republican senator bob corker of tennessee and democratic senator claire mccaskill of missouri. >>> finally, our special economic roundtable. as both sides battle over the nation's fiscal health, what can we expect from the economy in a second obama term? what is the vision for an economic rebound? >>> from nbc news in washington, the world's longest-running television program, this is "meet the press" with david gregory. >>> and good sunday morning. amidst a lot of partisan rhetoric on both sides, talks on the fiscal cliff are now at a stand still, and the president is back on the campaign trail of sorts. this time to try to win in a court of public opinion for his plan to avert an automatic tax hike for everyone on january 1. that's where we'll start this morning with the point man on the negotiations for all of this. the secretary of treasury, tim geithner. and our roundtable is also here. standing by for reaction, including the man behind the republican pledge not to raise taxes
the medicare eligibility age to 67 over a certain amount of time. making changes to cost of living. statements to soegt social security. right now there is nothing on the table. that was obama's opening bid. the republicans were miffed at him, they knew he wouldn't give them exactly what they'd accept. a few said they were inch superintendented like that. again you don't want to negotiate with yourself, you want to start over here and get in the middle to set up some type of deal. don't expect any deal until christmas at the earliest. >> reporter: let's go back to the tax cuts you're talking about. president obama wants to raise revenue by taxing those making $250,000 or more a year. it rises from 33% and 35% today to 36% and 39.6%, i believe. but that would only generate about 85 billion a year. according to the treasury department, the federal government spends that amount every eight 1/2 days. do you think that the point is purely political for the president since that's what he campaigned on? >> that is what speaker john boehner said, is that washington has a spending problem, not a tax pr
to bank specific things the white house would give. perhaps an increase in the medicare age. perhaps a change in the cpi in terms of how social security is doled out. the idea that's what the plan would possibly look like. that was a movement more towards the center. as president obama said it's unacceptable. when i was walking over here i spoke to a senior republican senator and he pretty much said look, we accept that eventually these rates on the 250 or above are going to have to go up. we should try to bank something. whether that be something to bring back to our conference saying we lost the 250 or above but we got the medicare age raised. we were able to get significant entitlement reform. that is most likely what some deal is going to look like. there is a belief amongst house republicans andrea, that president obama is playing smart politics on this. he's taking this cliff all the way to the edge, the possibility that he's okay with the country going over it, with the idea that he can fracture republicans on the tax issue. remember, republicans have been ability lowering tax
like social security and medicare and medicaid. they should consider who won and who needs to be considered here. why? because the nobodies is the big shots like they call them also have a stake in how this deal gets cut. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "the ed show" starts right now. >>> good evening, americans. welcome to "the ed show" from new york. the republican plan to solve the fiscal cliff is the same one america rejected on november 6th. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >>> flabbergasted. i said he can't be serious. >> john boehner finally puts a plan on the table. >>> and breaking news the middle class gets the shaft. richard wolffe and molly ball on the republican political theater and the white house response. >>> bob costas issues a common sense relief for gun control in the wake of the kansas city chief murder suicide story. and the right wing just explodes. >> bob costas based on the standards of our society today deserves to be fired for these remarks. bill roden and dan gross respond. >>> corporate profits break records aga
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close or which medicare savings they would achieve. hold it right there, folks. loopholes, aren't we tired of hearing about loopholes? timothy geithner made appearances on all the sunday talk shows to hammer home the specifics of the white house plan. republicans tried to counter his presence using their favorite media source. >> timothy geithner scheduled a round of interviews, but friday afternoon speaker boehner's office said he wanted to come on fox news to tell his side of the story. >> gosh, i wish i could get those calls. fox news gave john boehner the floor but he showed up with nothing. >> we have laid it out for him. a dozen different ways to raise the revenue from the richest americans as the president would describe them. >> what's the biggest proposal you put on the table since the election in terms of raising revenue from closing loopholes and deductions? >> there's a lot of ways to get there, but you could cap deductions at a percent of income. that would be one way to get there. you could eliminate deductions for the wealthiest. >> let me ask you a couple specifics. w
for medicare, medicaid and long-term social security. the mere fact were discussing those things is good. in terms of the votes, if it's going to be a deal they will be those from both sides. reality is -- these two guys come in the president and the speaker had so with one another before. they came to a huge deal during the lame-duck section in 2012. they came to another big deal about shutting down the government in april 2011, cutting discretionary spending the billions of dollars. he came to another in the debt ceiling deal as well which is a $2.2 trillion long-term deduction in exchange for an increase in the debt ceiling. they need to take it to another level. this is a bigger, more complex problem and it's the beginning of a series of negotiations. they're going to be together for the next four years. the president won the election, the republicans on the house and frankly are not likely to lose in a midterm election and a second-year presidency. john boehner is speaker for four years and hopefully this is the beginning of a productive relationship. >> host: unison news last week
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to issues such as the extension of unemployment benefits, social security, medicare, freidman would have argued that it's the better course to cut spending in those areas now rather than defer indefinitely on making real spending cuts. the current agreement was hammered out in august of 2011. what typically happens is that spending cuts are promised in the future, but they never materialize, the taxes are raised anyway. that is exactly what would happen under this circumstance, taxes would be raised, spending cuts would be promised in the future but when that deadline is reached we won't make the spending cuts. so at this point in time what is really being talked about is strictly a tax increase and freidman would have opposed that. jenna: i don't need to tell you that, there's certainly been critics of milton freidman out there. if you take the criticism together this is what they say. there is a time and police for government, there is a time and place where government can serve the economy, and that was opposed to what milton freidman said, but in general, you know, what do you think
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of this plan along with the $600 billion in saving including medicare that suggested in the $200 billion in additional spending, what part of this plan is a balanced or bipartisan approach? >> i bet john boehner things the grand bargain was good deal last year. the chicken question is john boehner having to blink. president was able to get $1.6 trillion because it's coming from the increase on wealthy americans. we don't want 98% of americans tax rates to go up in the name of saving tax rates for the wealthy. so that is going to increase on wealthy americans, 60% of americans overwhelmingly support. the president won this election fair and square. american voters are clear on the mandate and support an increase in tax rates to balance this budget. >> that is not true. for the bush tax cuts to expire and top 2 percent even most generous estimate that is $90 billion more in revenue. not $1.6 trillion more in revenue even over ten years. even if you accept that larger number, the deficit is $1.5 trillion so, even if the republicans raise the you are giving $90 billion. where are you going t
at revamping medicare, medicaid, and social security. >> i'm serious about revenue. you can limit deductions to $40,000 or $50,000 a person, which takes care of the middle class. upper-middle income americans will lose their deductions, but i'll only do that if we do entitlement reform, and the president's plan is quite frankly a joke. >> as the country inches closer to the fiscal cliff, is there a way to avoid falling over it? joining me live from los angeles, democratic congresswoman maxine waters. congresswoman, always a pleasure to see you. >> hello, how are you? >> tim geithner saying today the administration would deal with social security at a later date. are democrats serious about entitlement reform? >> no, democrats are not furious, except we understand and will insist that social security and medicare not be on the table at all. the president has presented a credible proposal on both taxes and spending, and he did offer up $400 billion in discretionary spending cuts. so, in addition to the $1.6 trillion that we're insisting on in eliminating or allowing the tax cuts for the riches
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. i want to stay on taxes for a minute. the projects right now about the medicare trust fund is above what the average has been for the projection of the life of the program. for the life of the program, the average has been 11 years. the affordable care act added five years to that. let's table the entitlement part. i think you are right that the obsession with, as you call him, grover, i call him mr. nor quest is replaced. obviously, it's not just him as person. there's eight constituents who don't want to pay more taxes and sbrents. grover and the tea party are one in the same. who holds what over in the primaries and whether republicans feel being in office is more important than doing the right thing. that's what the question is. we have seen a lot of tea party candidates win primaries. it cost them senate sees this year. that's the discussion. whether it's the tea party or grover or both, that's the discussion. the one thing i take you to task about is you left out the military spending side. the role that two wars unpaid for have played in the run up as well as a drug benefit t
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i'm willing to do stuff on entitlements. there's talk about raising medicare age, the social security cost of living adjustment, but boehner is just stuck in this corner on rates. >> hey, mike barnicle, we're talking about the president right now because a lot of us believe, you know, that's where the buck stops, and that's where you get the negotiations going. we don't want to overlook, though, a new "washington post"/pew research poll that shows americans are blaming the problems of these negotiations on republicans. 53% are blaming congressional republicans. 27% are blaming barack obama. 12% are blaming both equally republicans are shouldering the blame by a 2-1 margin. and of those polled, 49% don't expect a deal to be reached by a deadline compared to 40% who do. here we have, again, a serious problem with republican branding. and branding comes from reality. people -- their natural instinct is to blame the republican party when standoffs like this occur. >> i'm surprised the number of 53% is that low. i would think it would be much higher than that. people get their new
's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner plan, and also, of course, includes increasing those income tax rates for the wealthy. $400 billion to medicare and other entitlements, that's $ 00 billion less than in the speaker's counteroffer and this would force congress to give up its debt limit vote which is a nonstarter for house republicans. the white house saying that boehner counteroffer is nothing new, that it lacks specifics. but i will tell you, zoraida, that one house democratic aid telling cnn that it passed the laugh test. so certainly i guess it could have been worse in some estimations by democrats. >> i suspect some people were laughing. brianna keilar live at the white house for us, thank you. in the next half hour, we'll talk about the prospect for a fiscal cliff deal with california's democratic congressman xavier becerra. >>> the rain and flood
, more people are out of work. it means that we do not have money to pay for basic benefits like medicare and social security. it is important to talk about deductions and tax policy in terms of tax reform. john boehner opened the door for that. president obama has indicated no intention of looking at that. host: what deductions would you put on the table? guest: tax reform is not to raise revenue. is to make the tax code less of a drag on the economy. we do that by lowering tax rates and getting rid of some deductions, exemptions, credits. but we do not do it to raise revenue. host: chuck marra, how important our deductions? guest: they are very important. if you get into this notion that they are loopholes, then you look at the very popular deductions the people rely on. they're trying to balance the economic weakness with the long-term needs of the economy, which is that we do face a future of deficits that are unsustainable. we are trying to stabilize the debt has a share of our economy over time. that means about $4 trillion in savings. the good news is, last year, the congress and t
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revenues. it did contain four specifics. four. cut medicare specific number one. $600 billion. cut medicaid, pays for nursing homes for seniors, of course. priority number two. three, cut the adequate cola for seniors on social security. even though 40% of seniors depend principally or totally upon social security and the cola already underestimated inflation particularly for medicare, essentials they need. cut that. not a driver of the deficit but, hey, cut that. one more specific. preserve the bush-era tax rates for income over $250,000. it's not a tax increase for everybody who earns over $250,000. it's only the income over $250,000 that would get additional taxes if the bush-era rates went away and the president's proposal was passed. but, no, they want to preserve -- totally preserve tax cuts for income over $250,000. they want to preserve the reduced capital gains rate and dividends rate which principally who ben pets, who else, millionaires and billionaires. now -- benefits, who else, millionaires and billionaires. they did have the jay wellington wimpy plan. you remember him? popeye
than any single thing of medicare and medicaid and longer-term social security, so the mere fact that we are discussing those types of things fit. in terms of the votes, look, if it's going to be a deal there has to be votes from both sides. the reality is -- and these guys, the president and the speaker dealt with one another before. they've never been able to come to a deal. they came to a huge deal during the lame-duck session in 2010 on extending the bush tax cuts. they came to another deal without shutting down the government in april of 2011 cutting discretionary spending by billions of dollars and they came to another one on the debt ceiling as well which was a 2.2 trillion dollar long-term reduction in exchange for an increase in the debt ceiling. so, you know, the need to take it to another level. this is a more complex problem, and it's the beginning of a series of negotiations between the two. they are going to be together for the next four years. the president won the election, the republicans won the house and frankly are not likely to lose the election in the second
rates they want, the medicare cuts they want, the trillion dollars in spending cuts president obama agreed to, hundreds of billions in additional cuts, ending the payroll tax break, ending jobless benefits and they get the opportunity to create a new debt ceiling crisis in a few months. that's on the republican side, what the republicans get in their proposal. what do the democrats get in their proposal? they get this. a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of some kind at some point maybe next year e. ta da! a fair and balanced middle ground. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> yes. balance. here's the amazing part, though. after congressional republicans released their plan yesterday, which gives them everything they want and promises democrats that they might get something undefined that they might want maybe some time in the future. we'll talk about it later. after they put forth that sweet deal, this was the reaction from the beltway's conservative class. this is genius. sad ly, this plan leaves conservatives wanting.
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read to the will to you and your stand medicare/medicaid and long-term security drive the budget. the fact we discuss them is good. if it will be a deal there will have to be votes from both sides. the president and the speaker have dealt with one another before. on extending the bush tax cuts they did not shut down the government and cut discretionary spending and budget for the exchange in the increase but but of the debt ceiling this is more complex. and the beginning of the serious -- series of negotiations. the president is the president he won the election but the republicans won the house and not likely with the midterm election. hopefully this is the beginning of a good productive legislation's been iq made headlines to say go-ahead extend the tax cuts and later fight to extend for wealthier americans. does that change your position? >> what is the right thing to do but the two sides agreed they don't to raise taxes on 98% we should agree to take them out of the line of fire. awac surely come to our side but if they are worried politicians that they don't have confidence
details. we understand much of that comes from medicare, things that we've heard from republicans over and over like raising the eligibility age, means testing, things like that. so then we have about $600 billion in essentially spending cuts, half from mandatory spending, half from discretionary spending. this is the other very interesting thing that's new. $200 billion from revising the consumer price index. that sounds very technical. but it has very real world consequences because it very much could affect the money, the checks that social security recipients in particular get every single month because it effectively changes inflation so it changes the formula from what they would get. >> significant differences between the white house proposal on this part of the equation as well as on the tax equation. the politics behind this latest republican counterproposal, are they just going through the motions of having their opening bargaining positions knowing that both sides are going to have to make concessions. >> reporter: the answer to that is yes. everybody knows that everybody is
the growth of spending, especially the health care programs like medicare and medicaid for older people, and we need more revenue. we have to reform our tax system so we collect more revenue. it's not possible to do all of that between now and the end of the year when this fiscal cliff thing hits, but the government could put in place a framework. that's what they are arguing about now, what is the framework for the grand bargain that we will fill in the details in the next congress? >> one of the biggest fundamental reforms though that you say needs to happen is with those entitlement programs, so what exactly needs to change right now, and what would you say needs to stay? >> well, nobody is for abolishing medicare, for example. everybody is in favor of medicare. it's a very important program for seniors. it's paid the cost of health care for seniors over many years. we're going to have more seniors. that's part of the problem, and health care costs go up, so the program is going to be more expensive. the problem is to use those resources more effectively. we have very expensive healt
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be conceptualized and dealing with medicare premium reimbursement issues -- what is the one singular issue that you're focusing on as far as the top 2%? [talking over each other] >> what is remarkable about this, and this was said on the sunday shows, in this day, in 2012, how-to people are aware of what was a issue that happened in september. the unemployment rate, while it has come down, is still higher when george w. bush extended it. .. now he has also said he is not wedded to every detail of his plan, that he will compromise and he looks forward to concrete proposal that addressed the question of revenue for sale. they are open to revenue. the fate of the raise tax rates on the wealthiest americans. it's mathematically impossible to receive targets necessary or balance in a way that only closes loopholes and tax deductions. both economically -- >> that's been your earlier point. >> depending on the proposal you're talking about. it is either possible to do it if you stick it to them about class and race taxes on the middle class you can tax the wealthiest americans from having to contribute mo
are somebody, job creation. we have spending cut and medicare saving and we need re-knew. >> john: four weekends until the country goes over the fiscal cliff. bring in panel. charles lane for "washington post" with us. nina easton from quot fortune" magazine and of course, sindcated columnist charles krauthammer. get to the fiscal cliff in a second. but first, the job report this morning, 7.7% unemployment because so many people left the workforce. 146,000 jobs. the question a lot of people are asking is when are we going get back to good honest job creation to grow the economy? what is it going to take? >> political will in a word. what is interesting about the jobs numbers and the economy in general is that it's not so much the fundamentals of the economy. businesses who hire people who create jobs which nancy pelosi is looking for are looking for political will out of washington. they are looking for certainty on the fiscal cliff. certainty that debt reduction, there will be debt reduction, that entitlements will be brought under control. looking for certainty on taxe taxes. until th
hit. it's not going to be fixed if we go over the cliff. next, medicare doc fix, another thing we don't hear much about, but doctors would get less money from the government to pay for medicare patients that they have. and many doctors say if that happens, they're going to have to drop medicare patients. that would be very bad news there. and the last thing again not many people are talking about is an estate tax increase. right now there's an exemption for taxes on estates $5 million and below. that would go down if we go off the cliff to $1 million. and the rate would go up 35% to 55%. so these are all very, very real world problems that will cost americans a lot of money out of their wallets if we go off the cliff beyond the big ticket items which are the spending cuts and those tax rates. >> yeah. a lot of consequences if we go over the cliff. what are you hearing, dana, if anything about actual negotiations, talks being resumed. >> reporter: we are told by a republican source that talks have resumed between at least on a staff level between the speaker's office and the white hous
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to categorize the current income as long-term capital gains and there's a medicare fraud. i don't think people -- the of the hugely supportive of bipartisan efforts and they said recently, you know, the republican colleagues i don't think that we have a vested in a major way in that kind of what it means to go through tax reform discussion. we really get down to the details because i know it's going to be painless and you have to go through that debate because of the end of the day there are many that say let's go to brazil as opposed to hear cutting and then get them back and that would be a valid exercise. >> don't tax you, don't tax me coming and you will find that out. estimate on the second piece and then on the second piece. the first piece, the danger with putting the goals in the savings and cuttings and taxes in its regular order i'm afraid the regular order won't produce the results. to build another fiscal what on pressure which puts us right back where we are or have a default mechanism which the policy set aside that was sides don't like about media is a lot of bad alternatives fo
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